Is this the same copy of the community covenant that you saw growing up? This is the one we signed, if we were accepted in to the community after being interviewed by 12 elders, and then Jack would give you a thumbs up or down.
Question about the Family Annual Meeting....can you post a question to the people who are attending, to create their own "wish list" agenda? It would be fascinating if people could state their own topics of interest, and issues that they would like to see covered.
I was thinking that, if you created the outline of an agenda, and people are honest, there can be strength in having a list of issues, that can be copied and handed out to everyone as they come in.
Don't the regular people have the ability to push back at this meeting, with an alternative agenda?
If I was still in it, I would want to know:
1. who gets in to the bunkers? There must be a list? Are people armed with guns to keep people out of the bunkers?
2. If I am not on the list to get in to the bunker than why? Full disclosure and a chance to repeal. If you believe the world is ending, doesn't everyone want to get in to those bunkers asap?
3. An honest answer about how ManVan got in to power. Was the seed passed to him on a community camping trip as a youngster? If not, how did he get the title?
4. Is the family responsible for financially paying Gary while he travels (with another man??)
5. Will Gary come back? Does he have a reserved spot in the bunkers?
6. Is everyone affiliated with Parsifal, Nert, and UMI automatically on the bunker list as well?
7. Has the family who runs NERT benefited financially from the charity that was set up?
8. What steps can be taken over the next 12 days to ensure a meeting that makes change.
9. Are there any people willing to step up, or should it arranged anonomously?
0. Let's get to the final truth of the passing of the seed. There are many people from my generation who are willing to be interviewed by you who heard Jack say that he masturbated on boys.
These people immediately left the community. They are great people and willing to help you all to know the truth....but it could not be spelled out in any clearer way than the Fibles Of Abba article.
11. Has this entire Cult, been birthed by a pedophile who may have been on the run for 13 years so that he could not be tracked down? And were there any warrants?
12. What really happened during those 13 years? And who paid for it.
13. And now, how can someone, remain in the family, without tithing, and without agreeing to all of the mandates? Why not try a more episcopal approach, where everyone is free to disagree?
14. Would it all fall apart if the leaders loosened their leashes?
15. People can arrange to have poster boards sent to the hotel ballroom ahead of time with their issues clearly stated, without feeling nervous.
16. You can arrange for a surprise singer, comedia, or professional speaker to come in and sing a song to the Head and SUPERMEN, BEGGING FOR FREEDOM for the people to be able to use their own minds.
I share this all, humbly, because I did not have the strength to question Jack's mood swings and rules about constantly being kicked out of the CULT. We all had fear.
But it ended,suddenly, when one of the most respected family members, who grew up in that Lutheran Church, and had grown to love Jack as a youth counselor, found out that there was a boundary that was crossed that was unacceptable. Jack's answers were unacceptable. When we all had proof, which Jack himself validiated as sperm spilling, we all knew, with no uncertainty, that this was not a holy safe place fo our children and us.
I don't know how much of that continued....with Gary and the others.
Obviously, these are my questions and thoughts, 30 years later seeing so many of you go through this pain. I am posting on here, out of deep compassion, and also to help you do, what I could ot do...break the cycle.
If I had not stumbled onthe Rick Ross website a few years ago, I would never have believed that so many people stayed in the community. Your parents all heard Nancy question Jack with her research and information and detailed questions about abuse.
I feel like this is a significant moment in time...to take the leap...30 years after that article was published.
Ex Community, There are no "bunkers" nor are there any security guards to keep people out of the compounds (camps) in northern Maine (directions to these camps were actually posted on this blog many months ago). Each Mish is responsible for creating there own shelters for the "end days." So, there is no need to descide who gets to go. As long as you are active in the "Family," when the time arises, you get to go! :) Whichever Mish you belong to is where your designated "spot" will be.
You have a very good question about the ManVan. It's my understanding that he got to be KING (LOL!) as this was part of the vision(s) that you-know-who has been having. There was also some underlying crap about ManVan having this title all along... but again, it's crap.
Supposedly, when the "time" arises there are key people who make that determination-- when to flee to the camps.
Who knows what the heck Gary is doing and who pads his pockets. I guess I wasn't aware he went anywhere??? It's my understanding he is in Unity, Maine with Lynn and his kid..
I seriously doubt ANYONE will make any waves at this meeting. It's not how these people were raised. They were raised to be blind followers who obey and believe every damn word that's regurgitated to them. Even though they have doubts and questions, it's beyond the scope of their abilities and psychological soundness to question the Family "authority."
As far as the passing of the seed, again, people want an explanation but are terrified to ask. I was with someone when we questioned two elders about this. They basically said they had heard about it but didn't believe it and certainly didn't have any part in it. So, the cult is still lying about this and telling its people that this never really happened. They say this story and others is just a way or discreditting the Family.
This is how cult's survive. Lying, brain-washing and, of course, doing it all in the name of "God."
I suggest if anyone is willing to "be interviewed," please, go ahead and interview them and post the information gathered on this blog. I think that would be extremely helpful.
So Harps, since you were not raised to be a blind follower who obeys and believes every damn word that is regurgitated to you, AND you have said you plan to go to this meeting, is it within the scope of your ability and psychological soundness to ask questions, or make waves?
well to be precise, you wouldn't actually be "anonymous" if we got video of you, would you? But I can do audio only if anyone is interested. If you think people will know your voice, how about a voice modulator to change it? Should be plenty of computer programs that will do that for you. Google it.
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ReplyDeleteIs this the same copy of the community covenant that you saw growing up? This is the one we signed, if we were accepted in to the community after being interviewed by 12 elders, and then Jack would give you a thumbs up or down.
Question about the Family Annual Meeting....can you post a question to the people who are attending, to create their own "wish list" agenda? It would be fascinating if people could state their own topics of interest, and issues that they would like to see covered.
I was thinking that, if you created the outline of an agenda, and people are honest, there can be strength in having a list of issues, that can be copied and handed out to everyone as they come in.
Don't the regular people have the ability to push back at this meeting, with an alternative agenda?
If I was still in it, I would want to know:
1. who gets in to the bunkers? There must be a list? Are people armed with guns to keep people out of the bunkers?
2. If I am not on the list to get in to the bunker than why? Full disclosure and a chance to repeal. If you believe the world is ending, doesn't everyone want to get in to those bunkers asap?
3. An honest answer about how ManVan got in to power. Was the seed passed to him on a community camping trip as a youngster? If not, how did he get the title?
4. Is the family responsible for financially paying Gary while he travels (with another man??)
5. Will Gary come back? Does he have a reserved spot in the bunkers?
6. Is everyone affiliated with Parsifal, Nert, and UMI automatically on the bunker list as well?
7. Has the family who runs NERT benefited financially from the charity that was set up?
8. What steps can be taken over the next 12 days to ensure a meeting that makes change.
9. Are there any people willing to step up, or should it arranged anonomously?
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ReplyDelete0. Let's get to the final truth of the passing of the seed. There are many people from my generation who are willing to be interviewed by you who heard Jack say that he masturbated on boys.
These people immediately left the community. They are great people and willing to help you all to know the truth....but it could not be spelled out in any clearer way than the Fibles Of Abba article.
11. Has this entire Cult, been birthed by a pedophile who may have been on the run for 13 years so that he could not be tracked down? And were there any warrants?
12. What really happened during those 13 years? And who paid for it.
13. And now, how can someone, remain in the family, without tithing, and without agreeing to all of the mandates? Why not try a more episcopal approach, where everyone is free to disagree?
14. Would it all fall apart if the leaders loosened their leashes?
15. People can arrange to have poster boards sent to the hotel ballroom ahead of time with their issues clearly stated, without feeling nervous.
16. You can arrange for a surprise singer, comedia, or professional speaker to come in and sing a song to the Head and SUPERMEN, BEGGING FOR FREEDOM for the people to be able to use their own minds.
I share this all, humbly, because I did not have the strength to question Jack's mood swings and rules about constantly being kicked out of the CULT. We all had fear.
But it ended,suddenly, when one of the most respected family members, who grew up in that Lutheran Church, and had grown to love Jack as a youth counselor, found out that there was a boundary that was crossed that was unacceptable. Jack's answers were unacceptable. When we all had proof, which Jack himself validiated as sperm spilling, we all knew, with no uncertainty, that this was not a holy safe place fo our children and us.
I don't know how much of that continued....with Gary and the others.
Obviously, these are my questions and thoughts, 30 years later seeing so many of you go through this pain. I am posting on here, out of deep compassion, and also to help you do, what I could ot do...break the cycle.
If I had not stumbled onthe Rick Ross website a few years ago, I would never have believed that so many people stayed in the community. Your parents all heard Nancy question Jack with her research and information and detailed questions about abuse.
I feel like this is a significant moment in time...to take the leap...30 years after that article was published.
Ex Community,
ReplyDeleteThere are no "bunkers" nor are there any security guards to keep people out of the compounds (camps) in northern Maine (directions to these camps were actually posted on this blog many months ago). Each Mish is responsible for creating there own shelters for the "end days." So, there is no need to descide who gets to go. As long as you are active in the "Family," when the time arises, you get to go! :) Whichever Mish you belong to is where your designated "spot" will be.
You have a very good question about the ManVan. It's my understanding that he got to be KING (LOL!) as this was part of the vision(s) that you-know-who has been having. There was also some underlying crap about ManVan having this title all along... but again, it's crap.
Supposedly, when the "time" arises there are key people who make that determination-- when to flee to the camps.
Who knows what the heck Gary is doing and who pads his pockets. I guess I wasn't aware he went anywhere??? It's my understanding he is in Unity, Maine with Lynn and his kid..
I seriously doubt ANYONE will make any waves at this meeting. It's not how these people were raised. They were raised to be blind followers who obey and believe every damn word that's regurgitated to them. Even though they have doubts and questions, it's beyond the scope of their abilities and psychological soundness to question the Family "authority."
As far as the passing of the seed, again, people want an explanation but are terrified to ask. I was with someone when we questioned two elders about this. They basically said they had heard about it but didn't believe it and certainly didn't have any part in it. So, the cult is still lying about this and telling its people that this never really happened. They say this story and others is just a way or discreditting the Family.
This is how cult's survive. Lying, brain-washing and, of course, doing it all in the name of "God."
I suggest if anyone is willing to "be interviewed," please, go ahead and interview them and post the information gathered on this blog. I think that would be extremely helpful.
ReplyDeleteSo Harps, since you were not raised to be a blind follower who obeys and believes every damn word that is regurgitated to you, AND you have said you plan to go to this meeting, is it within the scope of your ability and psychological soundness to ask questions, or make waves?
ReplyDeleteI never said I was going to the meeting. I said I would consider audio taping if possible. :)
ReplyDelete... and I blind follower I could never be.
ReplyDeleteHi Harps,
ReplyDeleteYou need to go to this meeting to report back. And you are from MAine so it is easy. Isn't everyone expected to go?
Go with the new videos on but seriously blog spot. Show the most interesting. It's on video..very powerful.
You can even yourself be on video anonomously with Freckle Face. Why don't you contact her?
well to be precise, you wouldn't actually be "anonymous" if we got video of you, would you? But I can do audio only if anyone is interested. If you think people will know your voice, how about a voice modulator to change it? Should be plenty of computer programs that will do that for you. Google it.
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