This was forwarded to me by Freckle Face last night. This is from a clan head to her. It was edited because the man has small children and he mentioned their names. They were removed. That said this is Jack's teachings at work. Please feel free to leave commence below.
[Freckle Face],
How are you? (This is [MJJ] by the way, not sure I have emailed you from my email account)
How are you? (This is [MJJ] by the way, not sure I have emailed you from my email account)
It has been many months since we last chatted (via FB) and you are often on my mind. As I mentioned months ago I have had my own inner struggles with things and questions.... and have to say even more questions today. My conversation with my parents seemed to only stay within some unseen parameters which resulted in shoulder shurgs and we did not know anything about that... even my asking my mom about specific abuses that were covered up... but then again, at least the early one, would have been prior to her being in her position.
You have a wonderful website.... outside of the posting about the family, you right wonderfully! The whole thing about knocking on the bathroom door? Well it made me laugh and actually ponder it myself because of my proximity with the bathroom in my office, and watching different people approach it differently.. I have to say there is someone that simply walks up and pulls on the handle and does not knock! So I am paranoid about making sure it is locked! But seriously! They are likely the ones that dont answer when they are inside it and you knock... Anyway, I digress, but wanted to tell you I enjoy your writing...
I have read your recent postings and I am just floored by the experiences that you right of... Very deeply saddened unlike I have ever been and scratch my head to try and understand why I did not see these things? I just don't know what is right or wrong and hope that Hashem will some how show me the light directly! I have only ever heard rumors of [The Gay Man] and never heard anything first or even second hand. He and I were never more than an acquaintance but I knew enough to know he was a good kid, etc... How could anyone treat another the way you say he was treated? I don't understand it? Regardless of who he is or what he believes... Ok, maybe that does not conform with the family teachings and the like... but that is no excuse to condemn that person!
Your experience you mention of going to NYC for pizza and then being grilled on your way back... This is not love! We are supposed to love one another like Hashem loves us... Does Hashem have rules that we are expected to follow? Sure... God is the final judge and as far as I am concerned the only judge!
Can our parents zeal and love make them blind to things? Oh yes, I truly believe that... And their actions are clearly not going to be taken in the same way by anyone who has their own fears about anything... so this can just manifest and linger... not healthy... but where is there a healthy place for one to hash these out? That is hard....
Things are happening in this world right now that are clearly heading us down a dark road. I have felt this way for a long time and outside the context of the family and their teachings and/or beliefs. Too many pieces to too many puzzles are beginning to line up. Are there dark and sinister forces that are behind the scenes and in control? Yes, I believe this... it has been so since the beginning of man. Is the earth affected by this? Yes, I believe that to... and I will fit into Gods plan as God sees fit. I will seek his spirit and his will and hope that he will lead me in the right direction. I have all to often been a follower and latched on to things that seemed right or resonated with me. So for me it is for me to seek the truth and light of God and how it fits into the world today. For me... For [wife's name] and my children...
Although I have went on for some time already... the main reason I emailed was that you spoke of a dream you had.... and I wanted to know more about this. Honestly I wanted to ask if there was any way to meet... I would come up your way... I hate email as a primary communication type... but will let you decide how you feel about that. But a number of years ago I had a dream that had a similar tilt as yours and wonder what it means that we would have had similar stream of mind...
What if we are really the ones who will stave off a more sever judgment on the earth? What if we are the ones who are to step into the gap and through our prayers offer sacrifice for the nations? What if this is all true but that (and this has just come to me as I have been sitting here day dreaming) some how we have been corralled into this system to keep us from full potential and keep us from being out in the world... carzy and dark to consider that... could you be lead by that whom you are always told you are being protected from? My dream is not unlike yours in ways that point to things not being as they are... mine is of us being called and gathered as if it was time to go (where ever) but actually being led to our end. I try not to think of this dream at all since it specific includes my mother as someone doing the leading and someone the people are all trusting... but reading about yours made it hit home...
I have always been a believer of God being the only truth in the world. In the end only God knows what will happen and how it will happen. Which is why I would never condemn someone who simply did not believe the same thing as me. That is not to say I cannot disagree with you... of course I can. But it is how you handle that discourse and the other person that matters! There are many millions of 'faithful' in this world... and it really does not even matter if they are Muslim, hindu, buddhist... the believe is all that matters I suppose.
I hope that you and your family are well... I hope that [your family] are well also...
Chaperoning [one of the kids's] end of year field trip actually brought me out your way... what an amazing place! Anyway... I should get back to work!
[MJJ]
That creeped me out. Maybe he really is questioning things/confused, but don't think so. I remember Jack saying, several times, that if we don't do what we are supposed to do, god will turn us into positive energy anyway through our deaths. that no matter what, either way, we were stuck with "who we are" we can be "good" and create positive energy, or we can be "bad" and we'll just be killed (by god somehow)to create the positive energy.
ReplyDeleteThe dream seemed like a threat. We failed as youth, so the elders gather us up to lead us to our deaths, therefore fulfilling their purpose of raising us to create positive energy in the world. Seriously fucked up. Am I reading into this too much? Ugh, I feel sick now.
You can't read into something spelled out. Also whether or not he is questioning or confused, the fact that he thinks in these lines is the upsetting part.
ReplyDeletetrue. Guess I'm still questioning myself even when it's spelled out- it's hard to switch that thinking right away!
ReplyDeleteHe's doing the leading along with his mother if he is a clan head.Love how they pick one of the few clan heads in our generation to try and talk to ("reason" with)her. How many "nice" attempts will they try before they get nasty?
I don't know... need to keep reading even though my head feels like it's going to explode.
Really? Nasty? Come on! In the last 20 years their only victims are children. If you think they are going to get "nasty" you are way off base. As a matter of fact I would love it if they did. Oh and so would the FBI. We already know they have a file.
ReplyDeleteIt's been longer than 20 years. I didn't mean in a physical way. They've never done that, as far as I know with the exception of the men mentioned in the newspaper article. There are many ways to be nasty, and they are not foreign to this group. Maybe nasty was a poor word choice. Whatever. I'll just keep my thoughts to myself.
ReplyDeleteOr instead you could elaborate on your statement. If this is a real concern of yours, please let the feelings fly!:)
ReplyDeleteI just want to point out... he was threatening me. "I was down where you live"... really? "Let's meet face to face?" Not likely buddy.
ReplyDeleteHe tried to appeal to me in any way that he could. Through common experience, through common thoughts/thought patterns, through sympathy/empathy, through family ties, through emotional experiences, through existentialism/spirituality. Anything.
I did not reply to this letter. It's what he wanted was a reply. He doesn't deserve one. He's crazy at least, confused at best, and sinister at worst.
I just don't drink the kool aid anymore. I don't think like that. My soul is for no one else but myself and my maker. No one is going to lead me into a big crevice and say jump. No one.
You know I think he also sent me some f-ed up stuff on facebook. Let me check.
Awesome! You know P wants!And Just so you know, I email some cult watch groups and gave them all of the site names. Oh internet! How I love thee!
ReplyDeleteI hurt MJJ's feelings... by posting this on a blog. He's not going to believe me now... that this is a cult... that people have been abused... that people in his own clan... that he is the head of... have abused each other.. while he was the clan head. Like he didn't know? He's going to accuse me of being mean? Every time we speak he takes the opportunity to reiterate Jack's teachings as being true, that even if I leave, I will still be fulfilling his purpose? And he thinks I want to listen to that?
ReplyDeleteNO! I don't want to listen to it. NO! I don't trust someone who is still holding a POSITION OF POWER OVER OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CULT. Why would I? What's in it for me? Feeling good? Feeling like I "helped" someone... reaching out to speak to someone? To try to help them. To try to get them to see the light? Where have I heard this rant before???
The very last retreat I went to there was a prayer meetings. This SAME GUY prayed very loudly for the children of Israel to be "wooed" back into service. So that the "lost sheep" would return. I remember it. It is still a vivid memory for me.
I'm not a lost sheep. I've stopped bleating.
After reading the email posted by MJJ, I would have to conclude that anyone who has any common sense at all can see this is a guy just "struggling" with his own crap. He may be guilty of crossing some boundaries such as inviting himself to go chat with a woman who he had obviously had a long-term friendship with,(probably unbeknownst to his wife). However, I think it is a gross exaggeration to leap to the assumption that he was "threatening" in any manner because of this invitation. That's just reaching to say the least. I think MJJ's mistake was reaching out to a person who clearly had underlying motives and unbridled hatred. He needs to get his boundaries in order and stop seeking attention from miscellaneous woman.
ReplyDeleteNorthern Maine cammp directions: drive all the way to Greenville and continue on Lily Bay Rd uuntil you get to Kokadjo. Follow Kokadjo Rd to the Baxter State Park Rd. This will turn into the Golden Rd. Follow the Golden Rd toward Caribou Lake. Most of the mish's have their camps on Caribou Lake. If you look at Google maps, most of the camps (Ramu etc) are right at the point of the lake on the west shore where the southern end of the lake starts to open up and get fatter. Ramu's naturally have a beautiful log type two story "camp" ... the driveway id veery narrow (grass and dirt). You need to use this same drive is you want to access the water to get across to where Bob and Sylvia Finelli have their camp for their group. That one is across the lake and on the southern point on the pennisula directly inthe middle of the lake. You can see the camps on google map satelite images. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
ReplyDeleteThere are four farms in Maine which are suppose to sustain people at the "end days." FAMILY members believe due to the latest "prophetic" messsages that this will happen sometime next fall. Locations of farms will be disclosed soon. "Joseph" and "Gary" are acting as prophets spouting messages; dancing, talking in tongues, feeling "burning" sensations through their bodies as these messages "from God" come to them. I say, "get some pennisillin for that!"
ReplyDeleteHI.
ReplyDeleteI have a husband.
He is HOT!! I mean HOT!! Have you seen him? NO? MJJ doesn't hold a candle.
I'm not a slut, but thanks for implying it.
MJJ might be many things, but I don't think he was seeking any kind of special comfort from me. Thanks.
Did I bother you in some way because I'm a nice person and I like to talk to people? oh I'm sorry, you know there's a whole bunch of people in the world that DON'T hate/villify women. You should try it sometime.
Telling someone you were "down there way" can very easily be taken as a threat, when you consider that the last thing I said to man was that I didn't even want to be facebook friends with him, because I didn't trust him.
And I do know his wife. She's very nice.
Thanks for playing Troll this Blog! Better luck next time!
Freckle Face
Wow. Such a reaction. I must have hit the nail on the head. Stop playing victim and move on with your life.
ReplyDeletePssst... dude, what are you talking about? You insulted her and she responded. That's what people do. Your condescension is weak at best.
ReplyDeleteYou (sir or madam) are obviously in the group and are MJJ or a relation of his. This blog is for people who don't like you and think that you're crazy ass is out of control. You're not real goading anyone into anything. So I guess I (as the mediator of this blog) have to say to you :P nahna nahna boo boo stick your head in doo doo.
I have to agree with Pnina. The "family" is out of control. If you were to meet these "family" members, you would see they are normal, everyday people. You would see that they have jobs, families, lives that resemble yours. However, there is an underlying psychosis that and underlying character flaw that guides their every decision: What would Abba do? They live their lives based on his teachings, his convenant and his idea of right and wrong. They live in a constant state of paranoia and of secrecy. They have to protect themselves and hide so they can be safe for when the "end days" come. They need to keep secret the camp locations, the farm locations and all the Abba secrets. It's bizarre that people can rationalize so much in their own heads. I feel it's my job to out it all. There will be no more secrets and still, SURPISE! life will go on.
ReplyDeleteI think some of the camp locations were spelled out above in an earlier post, so I don't feel the need to reinvent the wheel. I will say the the Van's also have their camp there just up the road, on the same side of the Golden road as Phil and Carol R's.
ReplyDeleteSend your kids to the family's brain washing school by following these directions:
ReplyDeleteRooute 7/11 to Corinna, Maine
Go left on Route 43 (St. Alban's road)
Follow a few miles.
Go right on Packard RD
Follow a few miles
Take left before Packard road forks.
Drive will take you past Don S's house and ABBA's grave on left.
School is down the road and to the right. It's a small modular unit.
I have wonderful neighbors who are amazing parents and people who left this cult too. They shared with me bits and pieces and it sounds awful....especially for children. Bravo for the strength you have all exhibited to remove yourselves from true darkness. This is not at all about God.
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