Saturday, August 27, 2011

Guest speaker


Freckle Face said...

This was My response... from my blog butseriouslybaby@blogspot.com... just in case people are unsure of who the blog author is.

The directions were not from this blog, no one has ever posted directions here. I have deleted no comments except one that used specific names. One person that was the blocked from the other blog,(I know why because I asked the writer of blog), specifically attacked a rape victim verbally about the crime. That is inexcusable. The other person blocked was verbally attacking "the Family" and making some militant comments. So you see, people who use either site and show signs of overt aggression, have been deleted. It shows that we do use discretion about what is posted, but again, you are referring to another blog and should post your concerns there. [I have done this for them]

I have a disclaimer at the bottom of my page, and have had this same disclaimer since I started my blog (which, BTW, was while I was STILL in the group. I started this blog for myself to write my own thoughts, a long time ago).

You ask if adults specifically, were aware of the abuse? Yes, Ricky was aware and said nothing. The Elder at the time of my sister's rape was aware and helped to "mediate" between my father and the father of the boys who gang raped my sister. I still don't really know how you "mediate" a rape, but I guess they did. It was all swept under the table. Did the elders know about a girl who was beaten in her home so much that she had to leave and put herself in foster care, yes they did. And they did then what they are doing here now... the tactics. We were problem children. We were just a small few, loud-mouth, disobedient, "bitter bitter girl[s]".

Jack, Abba, even told my mother once that we as children should not sleep over at Pnina's house because it wasn't a safe situation. He couldn't guarantee our safety if we slept there.

They knew.

Look, my point, whether people believe it or not, is to just get the information out there. I had never heard the Foibles Article and I wished that someone had told me about it a long time ago. So what information do I have to get out there? Stories. People's personal histories with this group. That's the information that I have. If other victims want to come out and tell their own stories, that is up to them. That is not for me to share. If there were more concrete facts and evidence, people would be arrested. So yes, as people like to continually point out, if a "crime" was committed, then I am obligated to report it to the proper authorities as a mandated reporter. But if other people's information is like my own, it's been swept far under the table, so far it's hard for anyone to find, and harder still for anyone to prove.

You are placing a burden of proof at [our] feet. Thank you for thinking I have such a long reach and such large shoulders. But that task of proof, acquiring hard evidence, against this group that has been operational for longer than I've been alive, is beyond the smallness of myself. Therefore I am left with the "soft" evidence.

I never said anyone had to believe me. I didn't ask you to read my blog and believe me and take my side. I have only ever said that this is what I think, what I've experienced, what my fears are. I'm only encouraging people to think for themselves and make their own decision.

If your decision is to stay, then that is your decision. I'm not going to try to change your mind. There are many really nice families. No one knows what happens inside a family except the people in it. If this is your experience and you gain some kind of uplifting experience by remaining apart of it, and no sinister or manipulative tactics have been used against you to do things you would not otherwise have done, then please, continue on.

Friday, August 26, 2011

From the comments


AJ said...

Oh Pnina...you bitter bitter girl...

I didn't happen upon this and other blogs. I happened upon the rick ross message board, where this and several other blogs were listed as places to go for information. I find the whole idea of cults fascinating. I find the fact that people hang on to anger for so long even more so. One would think that after deciding to walk away from something that was so awful, one would choose to no longer let it be such a focus of their life. Or, if there is a lot of anger, confusion, whatever to deal with, that one would seek professional help to do so. So I'm also fascinated by those of you on all of these sites who are choosing to spew vitriol instead. Granted, I've been pretty sarcastic myself, so I guess I'm equally guilty.

Whether or not you want to believe I'm "in the group"...who cares? I certainly don't.

I'm not flabbergasted at all. Incredibly amused by the nastiness that you and others are so quick to throw around. Equally amused by your inability to respond to inconsistencies in your arguments. But flabbergasted? Not really.

In response to your comments. I have no real opinion about Mr. Coon's ability or inability to make decisions at  age 17.  But thank you for pointing out that one of the boys was 16. That means that what Jack did was statutory rape in New York. 
Truly I didn't care what went on with the group after I left. That is until my father, John Chevallard, tried to raped a member of the group. Then the group covered it up. That was almost 4 years ago. 
That's why I doing this. Now if you don't mind and if you do really care about this topic, please leave stop leaving hurtful messages. You're upsetting the children.

Preparing for doomsday

Just a taste of what you need to build a doomsday compound.

Word of the day




1.tool
January 13, 2005 Urban Word of the Day
One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. Acretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem.
That tool dosen't even know she's just using him.

To help out a fellow rebel

They were having problems posting.


Pnina,
Ok. Here's what I'm trying to post. I wrote.... 

 
Jack was criticized for being exploitive and deceptive. The accusations of pedophilia were not hurled against Jack but were instead hurled against some of his followers. In a nutshell; there is an overall concern about this group in that they do not teach or respect the sexual boundaries of their lower ranking members. The concern is that Gary Coons and his friends are exploiting and teaching bad things.
Going tit for tat is childish. Complaining about outsiders and what they do wrong is irresponsible. The leaders of this group needs to stop pointing the fingers at outsiders and behave responsibly and acknowledge their own bad deeds. Trying to redirect the conversation and find scapegoats and outsiders to criticize is lame.
It is also an indication of how childish and irresponsible the leaders are.

Outsider

Sick Bastards




This comes from a comment left on But Seriously.                                                                                  Did you know that once you hit puberty it's OK to have sex.



Waaaaa said...




I've included a definition for you since you (and many others) have yet to master the English language:
Pedophilia: a paraphilia consisting of a primary adult sexual attraction to prepubescent children (DSM-IV: Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children).
Prebuescent. Hmmmm...I think I remember that the alleged sexual activity was between an adult and 17-year-olds. That, my dear, is NOT pedophilia. At least use the correct terms. In fact, 17 is above the age of consent. There was no crime here. If it did happen, and it very well may have, you can say Jack was sick, a liar, a fraud. What you cannot (correctly) say is that he was a pedophile, child abuser, or criminal. Oh, and by the way, he's dead.


So, people still chose to follow him and his teachings? Strange. But stranger things have happened. Luckily, that constitution you were so excited about in another post gives us all the freedom to believe and practice any religion we like. Oh, and not only that, but we have the freedom to teach and raise our children with any beliefs/religion we choose. Yay for America.
There are still thousands of Catholic schools after ACTUAL documented pedophilia on a large scale. What is wrong with those parents? Lock 'em up! Oh wait, isn't your sister a Catholic now? Doesn't she have a child? How did she go from this crazy cult into the biggest cult in the world who systematically have abused children, among many other atrocities, for centuries? Where is your outrage??
The "family" teaches their children they are special? Atrocious! I'd much prefer to teach my children the christian rhetoric: you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ in exactly the way we say. Oh, and if you are gay, you're going to hell. Heathen! Oh, and if your child dies before accepting Christ, sorry, hell. Much healthier.

Wednesday, August 24, 2011

For Freckles


Mascot, maybe?
P.S. Wee're not the baddies

You guys rock!

Route 7/11 to Corinna, Maine
Go left on Route 43 (St. Alban's road)
Follow a few miles.
Go right on Packard RD
Follow a few miles
Take left before Packard road forks.
Drive will take you past Don S's house and ABBA's grave on left.
School is down the road and to the right. It's a small modular unit.

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Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain

Just heard last night that Gary and Joseph are telling people that we (the bloggers) are EEEEEVILLL (if you have ever watched Spongebob, this is said in the voice of Mermaidman). Well all I can say is even if the title above is true, it still doesn't change the facts. It don't change the history.

  • Jack masturbated on teenage boys and called it God's will.
  • Gary took over and did the same thing. 
  • People tithe. Well where the hell is all the money? I knew a few families that could have used help but didn't get it.  
  • Mike Van. was appointed King and has commanded that this Oct. everyone must bow down at his feet and be judged. 
What happen to
 "No King But God"
"Don't worship false idols"
"Beware false prophets"
Yup we're the baddies and they're the goodies.
   

Tuesday, August 23, 2011

Thank you Masked Stranger!


Northern Maine cammp directions: drive all the way to Greenville and continue on Lily Bay Rd uuntil you get to Kokadjo. Follow Kokadjo Rd to the Baxter State Park Rd. This will turn into the Golden Rd. Follow the Golden Rd toward Caribou Lake. Most of the mish's have their camps on Caribou Lake. If you look at Google maps, most of the camps (Ramu etc) are right at the point of the lake on the west shore where the southern end of the lake starts to open up and get fatter. Ramu's naturally have a beautiful log type two story "camp" ... the driveway id veery narrow (grass and dirt). You need to use this same drive is you want to access the water to get across to where Bob and Sylvia Finelli have their camp for their group. That one is across the lake and on the southern point on the pennisula directly inthe middle of the lake. You can see the camps on google map satelite images.

Anonymous

I have no problem letting everyone keep their anonymity, but it's getting down right confusing with all of the "anonymous". So please make up a screen name.

Monday, August 22, 2011

Oh we "Drank the Kool-Aid"!

We were told "Go enjoy the retreats: just don't drink the Kool-Aid". In hindsight, this statement came from Kool-Aid drinkers.